sherpa graph mk3
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There's a nice one that's just popped up at a dealers here: https://oliverandclarke.com/vintagewatches/gxpl1lcfbilp9rbp8q10lh97bkahbc
Dealers pricing obviously and no movement or clear caseback shot.
Dealers pricing obviously and no movement or clear caseback shot.
There are a number of dealers who simply do not show movement photos and OLiver & Clarke is one of them. Analog/Shift also comes to mind.
Note that every O&C listing carries this disclaimer:
"*Some marks or spots on the dial are reflections or dust on the crystal and are due to high intensity strobe lighting used while photographing. They are not actually on the watch or visible in natural lighting.
That said, this Mark III looks good. I believe the seller will provide additional photographs upon request but I doubt he will open the watch. No harm in asking though.
They've had a number of Gallet watches and I've had a friendly exchange with him (one of them?) while considering an MC-12H "Snow White" which, as it turned out, had blemishes on the dial. We'd discussed crystal scratch shadows versus real blemishes.
Note that every O&C listing carries this disclaimer:
"*Some marks or spots on the dial are reflections or dust on the crystal and are due to high intensity strobe lighting used while photographing. They are not actually on the watch or visible in natural lighting.
That said, this Mark III looks good. I believe the seller will provide additional photographs upon request but I doubt he will open the watch. No harm in asking though.
They've had a number of Gallet watches and I've had a friendly exchange with him (one of them?) while considering an MC-12H "Snow White" which, as it turned out, had blemishes on the dial. We'd discussed crystal scratch shadows versus real blemishes.
Thanks for the heads up Steve it's a nice watch but it's I think a little overpriced the one that Steve song sold on chrono24 was with nicer and it sold it $9,500 so I'm going to think about it. Is there anything that can be done about the corrosion on the hands and around the lume l u m e? Have a happy holiday
The case back looks to be worn, but in better than average condition. I'd ask the seller for a better photo of the case back in natural light and I'd ask to confirm that the serial number can still be read clearly.
Opinions may vary, but from a collector value viewpoint, it matters whether the case back is correct for the watch or not.
Dial face is very important. In my experience, it is not unusual that the hands rust and the dial stays clean. Fortunately, hand sets and crowns become available from time to time and can be found here, on Instagram or on Ebay.
If you are serious about making an offer, why not ask the seller for some additional photos of the watch under natural light?
I once bought a Mark III at a relatively high price and it was pointed out to me subsequently that the serial number on the case back was from a later Mark IV. Fortunately for me, the seller was reputable and took the watch back while providing a full refund including shipping costs both ways. The seller later handed the watch to Bonham's for auction . . . and the watch sold for about 50% of what I had originally paid.
Opinions may vary, but from a collector value viewpoint, it matters whether the case back is correct for the watch or not.
Dial face is very important. In my experience, it is not unusual that the hands rust and the dial stays clean. Fortunately, hand sets and crowns become available from time to time and can be found here, on Instagram or on Ebay.
If you are serious about making an offer, why not ask the seller for some additional photos of the watch under natural light?
I once bought a Mark III at a relatively high price and it was pointed out to me subsequently that the serial number on the case back was from a later Mark IV. Fortunately for me, the seller was reputable and took the watch back while providing a full refund including shipping costs both ways. The seller later handed the watch to Bonham's for auction . . . and the watch sold for about 50% of what I had originally paid.
Here's another S.G Mk III up at Ebay with a similar asking price, but in relatively poor condition
Sellermay should consider a lower offer.
Edit: The watch on Ebay is also stamped 12-66 inside case back. It is described as follows:
"This stunning Mk. 3 example has a razor sharp case and gorgeous dial . Truly a wondrous example of of the most important vintage chronographs ever produced."
One wonders why the seller did not also add that the hands "exemplify the finest patina and are aged to perfection."
To his credit, the seller did provide a sufficient number of photos that paint a clear picture of the condition of the watch.
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Edit: The watch on Ebay is also stamped 12-66 inside case back. It is described as follows:
"This stunning Mk. 3 example has a razor sharp case and gorgeous dial . Truly a wondrous example of of the most important vintage chronographs ever produced."
One wonders why the seller did not also add that the hands "exemplify the finest patina and are aged to perfection."
To his credit, the seller did provide a sufficient number of photos that paint a clear picture of the condition of the watch.
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Thanks Jim
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thats interesting, I have run across a very nice mk3, but it has a serial number of an early mkiv. I dont know if there was some kind of transition piece or if it has a mkiv caseback. the sticker is still on the case back and the watch is in excellent condition.
I think at this point that the general consensus is that, if the S/N is a Mark IV S/N and the watch appears to be a Mark III in all other aspects, the case back does not match the watch.
Is there a date stamped on the inside of the Mark IV case back?
My "assembled from parts" Mark III/IV was S/N 1262347 and the inside case back was stamped as follows:
The back was from a Mark IV and the lollipop seconds hand was solid red as from a Mark IV as well."
According to Nico's site, all Mark IV cases had a date stamp inside. either 9-67 or 11-68. He is not infallible though. He still has not updated his S/N range to reflect that the last batch (as far as we know) of Mark IIIs were stamped 12-66 and not 6-66.
Here is my Mark III case back:
S/N?
Edit: If the inside case back of the watch you located was stamped somewhere in between 12-66 and 9-67 that would be an interesting find.
Is there a date stamped on the inside of the Mark IV case back?
My "assembled from parts" Mark III/IV was S/N 1262347 and the inside case back was stamped as follows:
The back was from a Mark IV and the lollipop seconds hand was solid red as from a Mark IV as well."
According to Nico's site, all Mark IV cases had a date stamp inside. either 9-67 or 11-68. He is not infallible though. He still has not updated his S/N range to reflect that the last batch (as far as we know) of Mark IIIs were stamped 12-66 and not 6-66.
Here is my Mark III case back:
S/N?
Edit: If the inside case back of the watch you located was stamped somewhere in between 12-66 and 9-67 that would be an interesting find.
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Interestingly I have two of those with a 12-66 caseback stamp. Was very confused when the first one arrived
They're still 9's. The range is 941.1xx to 941.4xx 
I think we all pretty much drink from the same fountain:
Edit: Funny thing I noticed when I put up the photos of my real Mark III. It does have a wave spring in the case back as does my other two Sherpa Graphs.
Edit: Funny thing I noticed when I put up the photos of my real Mark III. It does have a wave spring in the case back as does my other two Sherpa Graphs.
yes thanks, i saw that on the encicar 101. there is a seller who got a bunch of watches and parts from an ex enicar employee, and has a mk3 in excellent shape, but the case back, which still has a sticker on it, is 103..... He think it may well have been an transitional watch. i have no reason to disagree, but it would seem that if i bought the watch it would be hard to sell in the future, and certainly not for top dollar, even though its a very nice watch
That is the concern.
What is the date stamped inside?
As I suggested, if it is later than 12-66 but before 9-67, you'd have a pretty good case (pun intended) for a transitional piece, otherwise, a future buyer will challenge you.
Could be a watch assembled from parts just before Enicar went belly up? Or else a watch assembled from leftover parts after Enicar went belly up.
Just speculation . . .
Edit: I could use a pair of NOS gladius hands for my Mark Ia.
@mgernhar Some pics would help here I guess
Another potential tidbit . . .
The ESG Mark III over at Oliver & Clarke appears also to have a later Mark IV Serial Number as well. I haven't contacted the seller nor do I intend to do so to verify, but, if I were interested in purchasing, I would contact them to clarify.
I make the serial number out to be 1262836, though I am only reasonably sure of 1262 and that the S/N has 7 numbers.
The ESG Mark III over at Oliver & Clarke appears also to have a later Mark IV Serial Number as well. I haven't contacted the seller nor do I intend to do so to verify, but, if I were interested in purchasing, I would contact them to clarify.
I make the serial number out to be 1262836, though I am only reasonably sure of 1262 and that the S/N has 7 numbers.