Minerva Enicar Double Signed Chronograph?

[Enicarfan]

Seems potentially fake but wanted to get some people’s opinions. Movement seems to be a Valjoux movement signed Enicar

Minerva Enicar AOPA Military Classic Chronograph Monopusher -... for $6,060 for sale from a Trusted Seller on Chrono24

Minerva Listing: $6,060 Minerva Enicar AOPA Military Classic Chronograph Monopusher -..., Steel; Manual winding; Condition Good; Year 1960; Location: Germany, Frankfurt am Main

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[jbcollier]

Case size alone marks it as a fake. Or, to be generous, a flight of fancy.

 

[Joe_A]

It has tremendous appeal !!!!!

It's a Minerva!

It's an Enicar!

It's the size of a wonderful Invicta!

And . . .

Most importantly for broad appeal and value, it's an AOPA winged watch!

A quick search did not turn up any information on an 817 CH chronograph movement, but . . . I did not spend much time looking.

 

[DubbelUIam]

Its a Minerva 19-9CH, or a 19-10 movement. ( the movement before the famous 13-20 was introduced) For those with sharp eyes, also look at the arrow inside the circle ( logo) near the balance cock. The dial is in my opinion not original and they put Enicar at the dial, because Enicar prices went high the last three years in comparison with prices of vintage Minerva's. Minerva made high quality watches and movements. Nowadays the Minerva watch company Villeret merged with MontBlanc











Enicar put the Minerva 13-20 movement in some of their wathes, very rare. An other example of collaboration between Enicar and Minerva ,

 

[JimJupiter]

A quick search did not turn up any information on an 817 CH chronograph movement, but . . . I did not spend much time looking.

CH817 was the name for the Minerva driven Enicar Cockpit watch. I guess this is also the source of these movements, since we know this clock was in a good amount of planes, but till today I just have seen two part watches. My bet is they were all converted to these nice looking, but fake wannabe Pilot watches.

The Jet Age Enicar Ref. 817 CH

While browsing through some old newspaper archives, I found some very interesting ads regarding our beloved brand. In this case the newspapers came from Singapur, mainly published in “The Str…

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