A worthy Enicar Sherpa Graph Mark III

Joe_A

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My last post in this thread was about a watch with a problem.

This one is about one of the nicest looking Mark IIIs I have seen for sale in some time.

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As I have found out not long ago, if you let your Sherpa Graph fog up, even once, it is possible for a little rust stain to form on the lume of the central paddle hands. A word to the wise.

In this case, the watch looks very good except for the rust stains on the hands and this can happen to any of us. It seems to me that NOS hands do pop up now and then, so if I were to buy this watch, I'd probably swap out the those two hands one day.

Have a look at the rear case:

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I haven't seen another Mark III with a case as nice as this one, in . . . I don't remember how long . . . maybe never.

We can't see the S/N. but the inside case is dated 6-66, so this fits in quite well with the group. My own Mark III is dated 12-66.

How about the movement?
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That is a nice-looking movement with the later light balance and mobile (adjustable) stud carrier that one sees on a 1965-1966 Valjoux 72.

There are quite a few close-up in the listing. The seller is not afraid of close-ups.

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As I have mentioned, the worst feature of the watch - and the easiest to repair - is the lume on the paddle hands

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What about the price?

What about it?

That's up to you.

What I have found is that some sellers will adjust pricing when the watch does not sell in a reasonable period of time. Not long ago I bought a watch for $4,200 that was listed for over $6,600, but I inquired early and took the chance that the watch would still be there four months later.

This watch may sell though thanks in part to Martijn's book.

If I did not have a Mark III in very good shape everywhere but the rear of the case, I'd be interested.

Cheers,

Joe

Listing here:

 

Joe_A

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Lovely. I even quite like the hands as they are.

When someone says Sherpa Graph to me, I immediately picture a Mark III. For me they encapsulate everything I love about the Sherpa Graphs.

I agree, Steve.

I enjoy wearing the all-white for a week or two at a time in rotation, but I tend to wear the Mark III more often and it truly feels like a sport tool watch ought to feel. ;-)

I still would not mind acquiring a gray and white though . . . double ;-)
 

Hugger69

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Lovely. I even quite like the hands as they are.

When someone says Sherpa Graph to me, I immediately picture a Mark III. For me they encapsulate everything I love about the Sherpa Graphs.
I totally agree with you and that’s why I was lookin for a MK III as well and also finally found one!

Regarding price it’s up to the buyer if course and how often do you find a Graph in that condition?

I paid a lot less for mine but the condition was a lot worse, but still an honest and completely original preloved watch!
 

Joe_A

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Another Mark III in good condition.

It appears as if the case back, S/N 1030898, is that of a later Mark IV.


Perhaps Nico may weigh in?

A handsome watch none-the-less.
 

chronopassion68

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My friend, I collect Enicar watches for over 10 years, I have over 70 Enicar watches from Sherpa Mark 1 gladium to Jet Graph Mark 1. But I hadn't a clear sure of serial number or production numbers. You? I saw Mark 3 with 1030xxx serial number and some Mark 4 with 1030xxx, it's a normal situation for me.

About my watch, for you is in a 'good condition'? Good? Not excellent? Please explain me your point of view, I'm really interested in understand your classification.

Thanks
 

Hugger69

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My friend, I collect Enicar watches for over 10 years, I have over 70 Enicar watches from Sherpa Mark 1 gladium to Jet Graph Mark 1. But I hadn't a clear sure of serial number or production numbers. You? I saw Mark 3 with 1030xxx serial number and some Mark 4 with 1030xxx, it's a normal situation for me.

About my watch, for you is in a 'good condition'? Good? Not excellent? Please explain me your point of view, I'm really interested in understand your classification.

Thanks
In my humble option your Graph look almost NOS! :love: ...but I'm no expert just a happy Enicar lover.

But back lids can be changed easily and based on your serial no it could be an early MK IV as well.
As I understand it Enicar wasn't that picky when putting the watches together, they us3d what as left on the shelves sometimes....

My MK III above has serial no 940 XXX and marked dec -66 inside the lid.
 
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Joe_A

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In my humble option your Graph look almost NOS! :love: ...but I'm no expert just a happy Enicar lover.

But back lids can be changed easily and based on your serial no it could be an early MK IV as well.
As I understand it Enicar wasn't that picky when putting the watches together, they us3d what as left on the shelves sometimes....

My MK II above has serial no 940 XXX and marked dec -66 inside the lid.

Hugger, to me, your watch also is a Mark III with an appropriate serial number. I'm not sure why you would refer to it as a Mark II?

My Mark III is also stamped 12-66 and the S/N is 9413xx. Mine is probably from the same production run as yours.
 

chronopassion68

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In my humble option your Graph look almost NOS! :love: ...but I'm no expert just a happy Enicar lover.

But back lids can be changed easily and based on your serial no it could be an early MK IV as well.
As I understand it Enicar wasn't that picky when putting the watches together, they us3d what as left on the shelves sometimes....

My MK II above has serial no 940 XXX and marked dec -66 inside the lid.

Thanks for you message. I completely agree with you
 

Joe_A

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My friend, I collect Enicar watches for over 10 years, I have over 70 Enicar watches from Sherpa Mark 1 gladium to Jet Graph Mark 1. But I hadn't a clear sure of serial number or production numbers. You? I saw Mark 3 with 1030xxx serial number and some Mark 4 with 1030xxx, it's a normal situation for me.

About my watch, for you is in a 'good condition'? Good? Not excellent? Please explain me your point of view, I'm really interested in understand your classification.

Thanks

Usually, when you meet someone for the first time and they have a different opinion than one you hold and there is a minor disagreement, when they call you "my friend," they perhaps are not being sincere. :)

Your watch is beautiful. I called it "good" and "handsome."

Isn't that enough? :)

I'll upgrade my "good" to an "excellent" only if I come to believe the case back is coetaneous with the rest of the watch.

I also expressed my opinion gently . . . and I suggested that someone who knows more than I do (Nico, Jim Jupiter) may offer a more qualified opinion.

There is no intent to offend. Simply there is an offer of an honest opinion.

Cheers,

Joe
 
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chronopassion68

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Usually, when you meet someone for the first time and they have a different opinion than one you hold and there is a minor disagreement, when they call you "my friend," they perhaps are not being sincere. :)

Your watch is beautiful. I called it "good" and "handsome" and I gave your post a "like."

Isn't that enough? :)

I'll upgrade my "good" to an "excellent" only if I come to believe the case back is coetaneous with the rest of the watch.

I also expressed my opinion gently . . . and I suggested that someone who knows more than I do (Nico, Jim Jupiter) may offer a more qualified opinion.

There is no intent to offend. Simply there is an offer of an honest opinion.

Cheers,

Joe
If you wrote that a watch has an not original part, your opinion create a doubt in a potential buyer...

This is not fair in my opinion. Many collectors know the quality of my collection and they know how many important for me the condition of the watches. I saw in my life over 500 Enicar vintage watches and if a watch goes to my collection I think that it is 100% original.
 

Hugger69

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Hugger, to me, your watch also is a Mark III with an appropriate serial number. I'm not sure why you would refer to it as a Mark II?

My Mark III is also stamped 12-66 and the S/N is 9413xx. Mine is probably from the same production run as yours.
Sorry, didn’t noticed that since the finger slipped..of course my watch is a MKIII! 🤗
 
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