Sherpa Graph Mark Id - Transitional toward the Mark II - Roll Call

Joe_A

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The thread on the earliest Sherpa Graph first production run stimulated my thinking about this late Mark I variety which some may think about as "not quite a Mark II."

I've skipped over Nico's designations for the Mark Ib and Mark Ic because I don't own an example of either of those. We do know that the other three earlier designations exhibit dials that have the applied Enicar name integrated with the Saturn logo.

Late last year, I had the good fortune to inquire of Lars, registered here as Longdele, about a watch he'd already sold, but during our dialog he happened to mention that he had another fine watch coming up for sale and eventually this led to my purchasing this watch from Lars:

727

This watch has a Mark II style dial face with an applied logo smaller than that of the Mark III.

You've seen this one before, but I haven't shown the serial number and so here it is:

721

You may as well see the movement

722


Unlike the later Sherpa Graphs, the early models employ a Valjoux 72 movement with fixed stud carrier. When the stud carrier is mobile, or adjustable by moving a lever, it's much easier for the amateur watch tinkerer to adjust for a very small beat error, generally under 0.5 msecs when using a low-cost timegrapher.

So why may we regard this watch as a late Mark I and not a Mark II?

All the Mark I watches use the 1308 BaNCH reference with cloverleaf case back whereas the Mark II watches use the Seapearl back as is the case for all subsequent Sherpa Graphs.

So far, in searching for examples of the mark II watch, I have not found one that has the date stamp on the inside back.

This Mark Id is stamped as you see below:

723

The watch was recently serviced by RGM, hence the inked R8554.

Can this watch be a Mark II watch with a Mark I case back?

I suppose such a thing is possible as there are very few watches accounted for in the serial number range that Nico identified as a Mark Id:

561.8xx – 562.1xx

Theoretically, the serial numbers run from 561.800 to 562199, so 400 watches in all, at least hypothetically.

Every now and then, I search for other examples and I finally found just one:

724

725

And here we can see the 1308 BaNCH back with S/N 562032, 102 watches earlier than mine - and, another white one!

Case back?

726

Another June of 1962 watch.

Are there any more "out there?"

This I would like to know and perhaps Nico may share what he has learned so far in his ever-growing numbers.

I have seen two other potential Mark Id watches, both white as well, but as the case back was not shown, they could just as easily have been Mark II watches.

One such watch was shown on the Enicar International Facebook page. I reached out to the owner but did not get a response.

The other watch was discussed over at the Omega forums in 2015 and pronounced to be a Mark II, but again, the serial number was not discussed and the back was not shown.

I have some thoughts as to why we should not generally share serial numbers publicly, but I'll save that for another time.

Meanwhile, in 1962 there were quite a few changes to the Sherpa Graph. The Ic with the lovely older logo and radium lumed dial was produced just 2 months earlier in April of 1962 and the Mark II was introduced by the end of 1962 or early 1963 - no date stamp in the case back being an issue requiring guesswork.

~ Joe
 

JimJupiter

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I have some thoughts as to why we should not generally share serial numbers publicly, but I'll save that for another time.

I just posted the MK Ia Serials that were visible in public pictures in the Internet. I would never publish a Serial I got from someone writing me personal ;)
Since there are rumors just a handful of MK Ia's exist, I find it necessary to "proof" there are more :)

Nice work and summary on your 1D's. There is a chance I will add that chapter soon to enicar101.com. In my list I just have 6 watches, which is really a small number.
I have 3 whites in that list, two Jim Clark dials and one black / silver. Hope that helps a bit ;)

Nico
 

Joe_A

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Nico,

Thank you; your response is just what I hoped to read.

I was curious as to how many you have catalogued so far.

I too would only list serial numbers that have been published or that are clearly visible online.

~ Joe
 

JimJupiter

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You can see the current number on the start page of enicar101.com. Before the weekend it were 263 Enicar Graph chronos in total. I will add some numbers today from watches I have seen at the Munich watch fair yesterday (btw, way more Enicars offered there than last year!).
 

Joe_A

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What may be interesting to some people would be how many of each reference you have catalogued.

No need to reveal serial numbers. This would indicate relative rarity, though we know that all Graphs are rare.

I am guessing that the largest reference numbers remaining in circulation are what we refer to as Mark IIIs and Mark IVs?
 

Joe_A

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You can see the current number on the start page of enicar101.com. Before the weekend it were 263 Enicar Graph chronos in total. I will add some numbers today from watches I have seen at the Munich watch fair yesterday (btw, way more Enicars offered there than last year!).

Any early gray and white available? ;)
 

Joe_A

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Yes, I am surprised that there are not a lot more Mark IIIs and Mark IVs represented.

Looks like I hit the "rare birds" lottery. ;)

I have two more questions for today, Nico. :coffee:

Are you keeping track of the watches that look good, but for which there is no known serial number - like the one I posted above which appears to be a legit reverse panda silver subdial Mark Id?

Do you track the misfits - the watches that appear to be "put together" like my original Mark III that was sent back and later sold at auction by Bonhams?
 

JimJupiter

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No, I am just tracking the ones with serial. The others I cannot use for the classification without the number. If a watch is wrong, I write the wrong things down. But just from my initial search. I dont track all watches through all hands. To much work, and thats also not what the aim of my project was ;)
 

Hxt1

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The thread on the earliest Sherpa Graph first production run stimulated my thinking about this late Mark I variety which some may think about as "not quite a Mark II."

I've skipped over Nico's designations for the Mark Ib and Mark Ic because I don't own an example of either of those. We do know that the other three earlier designations exhibit dials that have the applied Enicar name integrated with the Saturn logo.

Late last year, I had the good fortune to inquire of Lars, registered here as Longdele, about a watch he'd already sold, but during our dialog he happened to mention that he had another fine watch coming up for sale and eventually this led to my purchasing this watch from Lars:

View attachment 727

This watch has a Mark II style dial face with an applied logo smaller than that of the Mark III.

You've seen this one before, but I haven't shown the serial number and so here it is:

View attachment 721

You may as well see the movement

View attachment 722


Unlike the later Sherpa Graphs, the early models employ a Valjoux 72 movement with fixed stud carrier. When the stud carrier is mobile, or adjustable by moving a lever, it's much easier for the amateur watch tinkerer to adjust for a very small beat error, generally under 0.5 msecs when using a low-cost timegrapher.

So why may we regard this watch as a late Mark I and not a Mark II?

All the Mark I watches use the 1308 BaNCH reference with cloverleaf case back whereas the Mark II watches use the Seapearl back as is the case for all subsequent Sherpa Graphs.

So far, in searching for examples of the mark II watch, I have not found one that has the date stamp on the inside back.

This Mark Id is stamped as you see below:

View attachment 723

The watch was recently serviced by RGM, hence the inked R8554.

Can this watch be a Mark II watch with a Mark I case back?

I suppose such a thing is possible as there are very few watches accounted for in the serial number range that Nico identified as a Mark Id:

561.8xx – 562.1xx

Theoretically, the serial numbers run from 561.800 to 562199, so 400 watches in all, at least hypothetically.

Every now and then, I search for other examples and I finally found just one:

View attachment 724

View attachment 725

And here we can see the 1308 BaNCH back with S/N 562032, 102 watches earlier than mine - and, another white one!

Case back?

View attachment 726

Another June of 1962 watch.

Are there any more "out there?"

This I would like to know and perhaps Nico may share what he has learned so far in his ever-growing numbers.

I have seen two other potential Mark Id watches, both white as well, but as the case back was not shown, they could just as easily have been Mark II watches.

One such watch was shown on the Enicar International Facebook page. I reached out to the owner but did not get a response.

The other watch was discussed over at the Omega forums in 2015 and pronounced to be a Mark II, but again, the serial number was not discussed and the back was not shown.

I have some thoughts as to why we should not generally share serial numbers publicly, but I'll save that for another time.

Meanwhile, in 1962 there were quite a few changes to the Sherpa Graph. The Ic with the lovely older logo and radium lumed dial was produced just 2 months earlier in April of 1962 and the Mark II was introduced by the end of 1962 or early 1963 - no date stamp in the case back being an issue requiring guesswork.

~ Joe
Wow! Both of these watched are absolutely beautiful! I know what I'd like for my 2nd important Enicar.
 
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