Sherpa Graph "Ib" on the 'Bay - almost?

Joe_A

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Have a look at this one:


The serial number of the case back suggests a Ib, S/N 409237.
The date stamp seems to be correct.
The movement is an early movement with a fixed stud carrier.
The screw heads are a bit chewed and the steel shows signs of having once been exposed to moisture.
Crown seems correct.
With the exception of the 30-minute counter, the hands look correct . . . as to length. The tips seem to contain luminous.

What do we make of the dial, a IIb, perhaps?

As seller points out, there is no "Tachymetre" indicated on the dial.

~ Joe

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Joe_A

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Interesting . . .

My reason for calling attention to the listing was to provide for another learning opportunity.

I can see where every bit of the subject watch says "Ib" except for the minutes subdial hand and the dial itself.

The tachy ring looks good.

But the logo on the dial is the later logo with the large Saturn as one would expect to be associated with a Mark III?

The number of known and documented examples is small. There is room for discovery.

We do learn to set aside what we thought to be true from time to time.

I'm not a resident expert . . . and I am not meaning to state unequivocally that the dial is a later dial, but that's what one would think reviewing the published information that we have.

Cheers,

Joe
 

SteveHarris

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Yes, totally agree that it's a later dial. I've just checked my one over and it's a Mark IIa S/N 617.XXX. @JimJupiter will chip in I'm sure, but this should be a Mark IIa as well, not a 1b.
 

Joe_A

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Steve,

Mark IIa makes sense for yours. The only anomaly being the lack of "Tachymetre" on the chapter ring. But . . . this could be a variant that Nico has not seen yet?

The subject watch case has a Mark Ib S/N and an early movement within. The chapter ring looks like a Ib ring, but the dial itself looks like a Mark III dial.

Now that I have floundered and foundered, it's time for Nico to come in here end the suspense. ;)

Cheers,

Joe
 

SteveHarris

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Mark IIa makes sense for yours. The only anomaly being the lack of "Tachymetre" on the chapter ring. But . . . this could be a variant that Nico has not seen yet?

No, it's a known variant of the IIa. Have a look at the examples on Nico's page: https://enicar101.com/sherpa-graph-mkii/

There's definitely something off with the eBay one though. That dial is very wrong for a Mark Ib. We didn't see the small Enicar logo until some of the late 1d's and they seem to be very small in number.
 

Joe_A

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No, it's a known variant of the IIa. Have a look at the examples on Nico's page: https://enicar101.com/sherpa-graph-mkii/

There's definitely something off with the eBay one though. That dial is very wrong for a Mark Ib. We didn't see the small Enicar logo until some of the late 1d's and they seem to be very small in number.

Ah, I missed the "fine print," lol. I was just looking at the pretty photos. ;)

From Nico's site:

"The inner tachy scale of the MK IIa is found in white and grey and with the word “Tachymetre” and starting at 300. Early ones in the phase of transition I have also seen without “Tachymetre”"

That accounts for yours, Steve.

The subject watch has a Mark Ib "clover" back with expected S/N, in this case 409237, but the dial itself appears to be a Mark III dial.

Edit: Applying my imagination and keen powers of observation, one or the other, it appears as though the luminous material on the central hands is older and darker than the luminous material on the dial as well.

Sherlock Holmes and Inspector Poirot have nothing on us!

A la prochaine ,

Inspector Clouseau
 
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