An early goldplated Sherpa with some strange stuffing going on...

Hugger69

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
Hi,
Just got this watch home after an auction buy and it didn't look the good from the pictures but the price was right and the second hand was supposed to be moving so what the heck! :p

When I unpacked it the other day and removed the ugly and disgusting leather strap the goldplated Supercompressor EPSA case actually looked very nice.
Of course it needed some gentle cleaning and some hard polishing of the crystal but the back and watch in general looked untouched.

The movement clearly was an automatic though nothing on the dial revealed that, but the back lid did, never seen that before actually! See pics below.

I pulled the movement by the crown and it immediately started ticking and kept time almost like a quartz and still does!
Service and watch history totally unknown and I think this particular watch never has been serviced and maybe not opened before.

Just unpacked:
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Movement in beautiful and untouched(?) condition:
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But one of the things that made me write here and ask you guys of some opinion was the fact that the movement seems to be an AR 1124N and no Supertest engravings to find anywhere on movement or dial. It clearly has a serial number on the movement, #145679, as the Supertest always has. Se pic below.

So what really differs the 1124 Supertest from the 1124N other that the 1124N has a ball bearing on the rotor, is it just the engravings and paper work?
How do I find out how many jewels mine has, without counting them?

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The other thing that puzzles me is that "normal" Sherpas, starting from the late 50:ies. almost always has a serial number on OUTSIDE the case back lid....this one's a serial number on the INSIDE of the back lid!
The number is clearly visible as #318 436. That number together with a quick check at Nico´s site shows that my watch could be from 1960/61, which sounds reasonable with the logo on the dial and other stuff.....but I've never seen a serial number on the inside of an Supercompressor lid, have you?

Btw, what's the metal underneath the gold-plating, is it stainless steel as all other EPSA Supercompressor cases or?

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So in the end what do I have here?
Is it a correct Sherpa with a goldplated Supercompressor EPSA case with an AR 1124N movement, non Supertest but with the same, or better, performance?

You guys tell me! 🤗


With a new strap and after some TLC from me, the Sherpa turned out quite well I think, and it works like charm... so far at least! 🤞
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JimJupiter

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Sherpa
I don't know if Supertest movements have special features. As far as I understoof, Supertest ist like the chronometer certification of Enicar watches. So when a movement performed well, they maybe "super-tested" it and it got a number that matches to the certificate and its performance criterias.

I am wondering myself how many numbers on movements we have and if this really means they are all Supertests. For now, thats my theory, since you find them most of the times in higher watches like Sherpa Dive and so on.

Nico
 

Hugger69

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Nico! 🤗
I think you have a good point regarding the testing procedure, but they really did some effort in engraving a lot of those Supertest-movement as well both on some rotors and sometimes on a gear.

But Nico, is my golden Sherpa considered as a higher end watch or just a "normal" Sherpa?:p

The things that makes me wonder about this watch is as follows:

1. The number on the inside of the lid sure looks like a serial number and matches well with the numbers you have on your website Nico.
But has anyone else seen the serial number here when its usually on the outside??

2. What material is under the gold plating, is it stainless steel as most of the Sherpas have?

3. What differs between the AR 1124 Supertest movement and this AR 1124N, besides the obvious with the rotor having a ball bearing?
In my humble opinion the ball bearing is of higher and more accurate quality and therefore the AR 1124N would be a better movement then the Supertest also when accuracy is considered?
 

Hugger69

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Sherpa
The Sherpa Line was allways one of the top lines of Enicar. So yes.
OK, but you also have an unofficial ranking within the Sherpa line as well, don't you? ;)

What about the other of ny questions, any thoughts of the serial number or base material of the case?🙃
 

JimJupiter

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It doesnt matter what ranking I have in todays time ;) Back than Sherpa was top of the line. You could find Sherpa Dress watches, Sherpa Diving watches and Sherpa Chronographs. When you see old price lists, you see they all are relatively close (all from the 1960s German catalog, you could find here ;) : https://enicar101.com/brochures-ads/ )

Sherpa Date, 206,- DM

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Sherpa Dive 235,- DM

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Sherpa Graph 330,- DM

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Compared to another three handed watch with the same movement and with chrome plated case for 102,- DM

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and this is what the German Catalog from 1960 said to Supertest:

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Its seems there are differences, like bigger balance, balance without screws etc.

Nico
 

Hugger69

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Sherpa
Based on the picture in that brochure I see a lot of similarities and maybe its just the certification procedure that differs the AR114N from the AR1124 then? My rotor 7 balls from the rotor and just 2 screws for that bridge shown below! 🤷‍♂️

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DubbelUIam

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Sherpa
Hi Hugger, according to the information of ranfft.de the 1124 movement started in 1962 , rubyrotor, supertest at rotor. The 1124N movement with star jewel started in 1965, ball rotor. The dial with the divided Enicar logo looks more from the period before 1965. Because the A in Apns at the backside of the case, it was an automatic movement, but perhaps they replaced an AR 1034 or AR 1024 ( because of the fragile rubyrotor for an AR 1024N?
 

Hugger69

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Sherpa
Hi Hugger, according to the information of ranfft.de the 1124 movement started in 1962 , rubyrotor, supertest at rotor. The 1124N movement with star jewel started in 1965, ball rotor. The dial with the divided Enicar logo looks more from the period before 1965. Because the A in Apns at the backside of the case, it was an automatic movement, but perhaps they replaced an AR 1034 or AR 1024 ( because of the fragile rubyrotor for an AR 1024N?
Thats something to think about....
I really don't know how accurate the info at ranfft.de is and it´ only examples with the year of the movements I guess...

AUTOMATIC is also engraved on the back lid if you look closer so there's no doubt this watch was an automatic from the beginning but maybe they swapt out the movements you say...but wouldn´t this AR 1124N, as I guess you mean above, be a rather expensive swap since it´s a high end movement?
 

bree

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Did you chnage out or buff out the crystal, I am no expert but most god plated watches generally were a step up from thier steel cousins so yes I would consider yours premium but less desirable as genenrally collectors prefer steel over plated (All generalizations) . I am about to purchase a cherpa but there appear to be a lot of frankensteins out there
 

Hugger69

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Sherpa
Did you chnage out or buff out the crystal, I am no expert but most god plated watches generally were a step up from thier steel cousins so yes I would consider yours premium but less desirable as genenrally collectors prefer steel over plated (All generalizations) . I am about to purchase a cherpa but there appear to be a lot of frankensteins out there
Yeah, I buffed the chrystal and that’s all!
The movement works like charm and it’s close or almost identical to a Supertest!
 
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