Advice needed - Enicar Sherpa Ultradive

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palkastu

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Hi guys and thanks for the membership,
Ive been collecting vintage watches for several years, but Im a bit lost with rare Enicars :)
I need some help with my most recent purchase, a Enicar Sherpa Ultradive.
The watch has had one owner (before me) and was bought in the 60s and used in a professional capacity.
My thoughts:
I believe it to be a MK1.
The dial is in excellent condition, the scratches you see is on the crystal, and correct.
The double lollipop second hand looks good with some of the original lume.
The minute and second hand looks correct, but are relumed?
The bezel looks correct but is relumed?
The case is has some dings and the caseback looks awful, but correct for the watch.
The crowns looks good.
The movement is original and is in working order.

Please correct me if Im wrong :)

Im sending this to be serviced, would you relume the bezel and hands to match the dial?

All help is appreciated :)
This thread is also listed on Omegaforums btw.
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jbcollier

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Make sure you don’t polish it. Though it shows signs of heavy use, normal for these tool watches, and, lots of marks from using the wrong case-back tool, the back engravings are still very visible. This was a real plus as they are often polished out — usually after the person working on the watch has gouged the back due to using the wrong tool.
 
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palkastu

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jbcollier said:
Make sure you don’t polish it. Though it shows signs of heavy use, normal for these tool watches, and, lots of marks from using the wrong case-back tool, the back engravings are still very visible. This was a real plus as they are often polished out — usually after the person working on the watch has gouged the back due to using the wrong tool.
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Thanks,
Im not going to polish it, Im using a vintage watchmaker that knows to take properly care of these pieces :)
 
Hugger69

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Looks very good and correct for a beautiful MK I!
Here is my MK I for today as reference!

I shouldn’t do anything more then service and change the crystal it it’s not repairable!

Is you can read the serial number it would be grate for @JimJupiter to add that to his UD/OPS data base! 🤗

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palkastu

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Hugger69 said:
Looks very good and correct for a beautiful MK I!
Here is my MK I for today as reference!

I shouldn’t do anything more then service and change the crystal it it’s not repairable!

Is you can read the serial number it would be grate for @JimJupiter to add that to his UD/OPS data base! 🤗
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Thanks for your feedback! :)
Yup, the crystal is chipped and has a lot of crazing so it has to go.

I would gladly share the serial number with @JimJupiter if it helps som kind of research.

Beautiful watch BTW :)
 
Hugger69

Hugger69

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palkastu said:
Thanks for your feedback! :)
Yup, the crystal is chipped and has a lot of crazing so it has to go.

I would gladly share the serial number with @JimJupiter if it helps som kind of research.

Beautiful watch BTW :)
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Thanks!

Notice that it’s special crystal for the UD/OPS so use the reference number 144-35-03, when searching for the correct one!
It’s much thicker and higher then normal crystals with the same diameter!
 
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palkastu

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HorologyBiology said:
Thanks for checking it out. Please subscribe (y)
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Done :)

JimJupiter said:
Ah thats interesting. @SteveHarris this is maybe something we should change?

@palkastu you can also write me an email to enicar101@gmail.com .

Thanks, Nico
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Done :)

jbcollier said:
DM isn’t available until after a certain number of posts.
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SteveHarris said:
We did have it set low but the spammers abused it 🙄
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I see, that makes sense!
Thought I was blind, stupid or both for a second there😂


Is the consensus that the bezel and hands are relumed, but that I shouldnt do it again by the way?
It would be to match the dial.
 
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Joe_A

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I'm really starting to covet having an ULtradive with double lollipop seconds hand. ;)

Speaking now for only one person: me.

. . . From the reading I have done over the past couple of years, there seems to be a consensus among collectors that there are a handful of things that can do that will lower the value of a vintage watch. I'll offer up my opinion in order of most damage to the value down to least damage to the value as gleaned from forum reading.

Replacing the dial of a watch with a dial that is not coetaneous with the rest of the watch. I.E. a 1970 dial on a 1960 watch. That's a real value-killer.
Replacing the hands of a watch with hands that are not coetaneous with the rest of the watch. Second worst.
Polishing the case of the watch where it is obvious that sharp facets have been turned into rounded facets.
Any other mismatched components, such as a wrong crown.

While some may argue with the order above, it seems that most agree that re-luming a watch is the least harmful thing one may do to damage the value of a vintage watch.

Changing out the hands of a vintage watch with NOS OEM hands hands seems to be OK as well.

It's your watch. If you want to have the luminous material replaced, I suggest that's up to you.

Of course, an amateurish replacement of luminous material would hurt both the value and the appearance. Better leave it alone rather than to put it into the hands of an amateur.

Cheers,

Joe
 
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jbcollier

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Rather than reluming, why not search out a better set of hour and minute hands. Unless done very very well, reluming often looks like it has been relumed.
 
Joe_A

Joe_A

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jbcollier said:
Rather than reluming, why not search out a better set of hour and minute hands. Unless done very very well, reluming often looks like it has been relumed.
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Even I may agree. ;)

If it won't hurt the pocket book too much, one can even do both.

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I've had the above watch for a few years now and there has not been any sign during that time that a pair of the right kind of hands for an EP-40 movement have been available at all anywhere at any price and there were a lot of these watches made.

The watch needed a full service and I put it in the hands of a well-established watch maker. The incremental cost to relume the hands at the time of the service was negligible.

If I do ever see a set of hands suitable for this watch (and an original crown as well) I will buy them, but until then, who would even think the hands on the right were not original? ;)

UV light will catch me out though.

Cheers,

Joe
 
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