A "put together" Sherpa Graph, but not put together correctly . . .

Joe_A

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
No need to worry about whether the S/N matches the rest of the watch.


How many things can we list that are not right about this watch?

There are 30 bids and 16 bidders with 9 days to go. Bidding is as $3,250.00 as I make this post.

3543

Case back:
3544

Nice and shiny!

3545

Hopefully, whoever purchases this watch does so knowing what he or she is buying.

As a general rule, I do not want to hurt anyone's sales effort, but neither would I want to see a buyer get hurt.
 

mgernhar

Member
Enicaristi
Sherpa
No need to worry about whether the S/N matches the rest of the watch.


How many things can we list that are not right about this watch?

There are 30 bids and 16 bidders with 9 days to go. Bidding is as $3,250.00 as I make this post.

View attachment 3543

Case back:
View attachment 3544

Nice and shiny!

View attachment 3545

Hopefully, whoever purchases this watch does so knowing what he or she is buying.

As a general rule, I do not want to hurt anyone's sales effort, but neither would I want to see a buyer get hurt.
so what do you think is wrong. To my untrained eye, the caseback is wrong, the second hand seems wrong, the glass and crown, what else? thank you
 

Joe_A

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
I was thinking to make a bit of a game out of this thread. ;)

There is hardly anything 'right' about this particular watch other than that most of the parts seem to have come from Enicar.

I'll comment upon your comment thus far.

Yes, the central seconds hand is short and the shorter end is not shaped like a Graph second hand. Others here may state whether the central seconds hand has come from any other Enicar watch, but it did not originate on a Graph and probably came from a generic parts box.

The caseback is stamped 9-67. This would suggest that the case is appropriate for a Mk IV Sherpa Graph. Unfortunately it seems that the outer side of the caseback has been heavily polished so that the reference and serial number are gone . . . and only the sea pearl remains.

The movement is a later Enicar Valjoux 72 with mobile stud carrier, one that could have been found within a Mark III or Mark IV S.G. or other Graph from the period, so it does seem be coetaneous with the case and case back. With the S/N gone, we'll never know for sure.

What do we know about the dial?
What do we know about the central minutes and hours hands?
The crown looks genuine, but from what watch does it come?
How about those subdial hands?

I don't hold myself out to be an expert and I am learning as time goes on.

For example, I hadn't noticed until it was pointed out to me recently that the tip of lollipop central seconds hand on a Mark III S.G. is sometimes painted white from the factory. Previously, I only noticed that the central lollipop seconds hand was unpainted at the tip. We live and learn, hopefully.
 

SteveHarris

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
It really is a proper mish mash of parts and was probably originally a Mark IV. Is it me or does the dial looked messed with as well? Have a look at the font for the word GRAPH. Looks odd.
 

Joe_A

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Enicaristi
Sherpa
It really is a proper mish mash of parts and was probably originally a Mark IV. Is it me or does the dial looked messed with as well? Have a look at the font for the word GRAPH. Looks odd.

My thought is that the case and movement are likely from a Mark IV as well, Steve.

The dial looks like a Mark II dial with marked-up subdial pans. I'm not sure about the printing of the dial, but it looks OK to me.
Notice the luminous on the dial and central hands do not match - and are not even close?
The crown appears to be from a Mark II or earlier as well.

I'm thinking that the central minutes and hours hands are not from the same set.

The central minutes hand looks correct for an early Graph, but the tip was painted orange to look like that of a Mark III perhaps?
The central hours hand is too short to be a Graph hand. It is possibly a Garnix hour hand with the tip painted orange to match that of the central minutes hand.
Both hands feature the longer tips one associates with a watch earlier than a Mark III.

What about the subdial hands?
Pushers?
Tachy ring?
 
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